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Post by Ruppa on Sept 12, 2014 8:27:20 GMT -6
I think the suggestions made will make lostmoor a better place, i imagine lumi being a character that would use it a lot when she gets her business with creature sorted. However i would like to add, i cannot see a problem with someone adding a character just to be played there after all there is no real attraction to it as long as they were willing to play it for other people, i think if you dont want to do this then it should just be chars from rltw previous versions. I think it would be an option as well for current new chars for example my Ellaria to go to ask previous chars about rltw world and perhaps why chars now have crazy stuff from the great disaster.
I don't have an opinion either way, I'm just trying to point out where you may run into future problems. So with that said, I have to agree with Temp in regard to not seeing a serious problem with creating new dead chars for the sole purpose of rping in lostmoor.
The problem with requiring proof from someone about rping their char previously is that not everyone keeps records or they get misplaced, old sites get deleted, old comps die, etc. For example, some of you may remember my stallion Sage Warrior. I've been playing him ever since the very first rp I ever joined back in the early 2000's. I don't have a single shred of evidence he ever existed, no old posts etc. But I played him for over 5 years. If I had access to older versions of rltw I may be able to find something but I wouldn't be able to bring in my "main" character from back when he was originally created on a now deleted site called WildDreams. If I tried to bring Nynaeve or Allanon as a dead lostmoor character, I could have the chance of being denied because of lack of evidence. Also, if someone were really ambitious, they could just come up with a couple quick posts or something and now they have false proof that can get taken as evidence.
Whatever you do, you never want to make a rule you cannot regulate fairly and with certainty. People will find loopholes in every system if it benefits them in some way or helps them get what they want. Everyone loves a good gray area.
Now, regarding the worry that if creation of dead chars were allowed we'd suddenly be overwhelmed with more active dead folks than live ones; I say don't worry about it. Lostmoor, if I'm not mistaken, has to be a dead char interacting with the living. For every dead char that's being rp'd, there will be a living one right there in the same thread. If that's the case, there is already a governed balance between the two within lostmoor's very existence. If that's incorrect, or still leaves worry, then simply make a limit of one dead creation to every user. (or, hell, just do both) If they want to one day play a different dead character, their previous character's information must first be removed from the list of available ones. Replacing, but not alternating. The replaced character would then be considered as "moved on" to wherever dead people go (heaven, hell, the netherworld, etc) to never return to lostmoor again. (Maybe later on implement an expensive store item to summon them back to lostmoor temporarily, idk)
Again, I just want to repeat that I don't have an opinion either way. I probably won't be rping in there unless it becomes part of a plot or something so really it's up to everyone interested in the place and how new users/players can be included. Just want to poke holes so we can cover them before it causes some major issue one day.
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Post by ♕BEFERA on Sept 12, 2014 14:00:26 GMT -6
Well like I said, as long as there weren't too many dead characters already and someone really wanted to rp a dead character there, made up or an old character, I would most likely allow it without any proof. I get that people don't often keep records and that's fine. If you wanted to bring your old characters to Lostmoor, I would let you bring probably one of them, and if Lostmoor became more active, I would allow you to bring in a second one if you so desired.
I appreciate your input but I think that dealing with Lostmoor dead characters on a case-by-case basis is an okay setup for now. If someone had the idea to make up a completely new dead character that was never actually rped, but the idea of that character's backstory was awesome and made others want to rp with it, I would definitely allow that. At this point, I don't want any one member to be playing more than one dead character, at least not until the land becomes more active (as right now it is basically completely inactive).
Are there any other suggestions for the site outside of Lostmoor? I think we have that topic handled.
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Post by templebar on Sept 12, 2014 15:31:55 GMT -6
Yes i think that is well covered and will help that area of the site.
As i said before i think the kingdoms themselves need a goal of sorts. As was said they have sort of fallen back into light and dark which was not the plan, but i think almost Nirv and Cado need to be examples themselves and perhaps both be a little more badass and leader like (its hard to judge cado with being new but its more advice.) at the moment the kindoms are just not doing anything but living.
Also the Syndicate may be the most active but no one has actually ordered anything its mainly training posts with meet and greets. I wonder if we can try and get some stuff going by someone pulling some stunts using the Syndicate.
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Post by Captain Flighty on Sept 12, 2014 18:24:58 GMT -6
I posted a badass plot requesting the syndicates involvement and not many were interested and now im on hiatus with no computer, but when i return that plot is going to happen no matter who i have to punch in the face, lol.
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Post by `Şŧaŧi№vå_ on Sept 12, 2014 21:15:01 GMT -6
this may sound a little out there and it would require quite a bit of change with the lands and stuff, but as we all know, alot of the minor lands under the kingdoms are inactive, so i think instead of 2 kingdoms, we should have 4. Get rid of all the inactive lands and allow the active ones such as Cocytus become one of the 2 new kingdoms. I'd be willing to give up my lands no problem. so perhaps for the other two kingdoms, whoever wants them could have their characters fight for them and anybody who loses can either give up their lands or put them as a sub-board under one of the 4 kingdoms. The bands would remain the same however and every kingdom is an individual and no kingdom is light or dark. If you've ever read Warrior Cats, this is where my idea came from, such as Windclan is noble, small but quick. Riverclan is sleek, adverage size and uses strategy, Thunderclan is large, boastful and agrressive, Shadow clan ranges from skinny to buff and are always battle-ready. But no clan was dark or light.
This is just an idea, i dont even know how it would work but i thought id try to make an idea.
As for social lands, i definitely think we need to cut down on them. there are still wayy too many and alot of them have sub boards. I think it just needs to be one board like Destructions Reach rather then subboards underneath it like Atrocious Beach, Malice Mountain and Solitary Desert. Cause you could just say in Destructions Reach description that after you pass through mountains(malice mountains), a long (solitary)desert stand before you and miles beyond the horizon lies a (atrocious)beach full of bones and mutated creatures instead of having the subboards. I dont see the point in having soo many subboards under social boards as half the time there is only one or two posts and if its open posts your trying to find to rp in, the subboards just make it more of a hassle then anything.
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Post by ♕BEFERA on Sept 12, 2014 21:29:32 GMT -6
I agree, the kingdoms do need a goal. Normally what I've seen with sites is that they go between peacetime between kingdoms and times of tension/war. Right now, I'd like to think we're in a period of peacetime. After Altus and Imperium were formed from Unaligned and Dark, they allied, and therefore perpetuated the peacetime you're seeing now. Over the past few weeks, the staff have been doing some brainstorming behind the scenes, and once we have a solid plan or two we're gonna have you guys vote on it.
I agree that The Syndicate should definitely be utilized for plots and things, like there's several ways it could be utilized:
- Guarding land, children, a specific character who another believes might be threatened - Spying on other groups, pretending to be someone they're not, lying to gain intel - and of course assassinations, though I see that not being utilized unless it's at the pinnacle of a large plot or unless someone just wants their character killed off in a cool way
I don't really know how everyone would feel if every kingdom was just one land. I feel like kingdoms should be made up of many lands, ya know? But I do like the direction you're going and like I said the staff have been working on some stuff that we're gonna get everyone's opinion on as soon as we have a definite plan laid out, and it does involve the creation of another kingdom.
I completely agree that we have way too many social lands. I absolutely hate all the sub boards too and I think we should do away with them. It is super hard to find stuff in the maze of social lands. I think they would be perfect if we did this or something similar:
- Ethereal Meadows - Lustrous Cove - Forest of Whispers (pacifist's lake in description) - Destruction's Reach (solitary desert and atrocious beach in description) - Mountains of Malice (only keeping this as its own board because it's one of rltw's oldest lands) - Hall of the Dead (the graveyard and ancient catacombs in description) - Tiff Cliff - Broken Stones
And just get rid of all of the other lands, because they are rarely used, and when they are used, nothing really interesting or important ever happens in them.
We could do a poll again soon and have people pick the 3 or 4 that they would 100% want to keep, and any that get 0-1 vote would be deleted.
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Post by Captain Flighty on Sept 13, 2014 8:19:56 GMT -6
That was a really good idea for the lands stat! bef i think you did a good job there with them, i don't really see a need to vote on it truthfully, we won't be truly deleting any lands just the silly subboards that hold them. i think we should just probably plan on doing that when the time comes. maybe after the plot things we're working on are decided on by the members.
I absolutely don't want to do four kingdoms though and like not trying to shoot you down stat but i just want to say how i feel. like i really loathe the idea in a lot of ways and here's why; we have two kingdoms right now-only one is truly active. We have what four bands? sorry i been outta the loop so i'm not totally up on them, but only one of them is active. so that means out of the six possible groups characters can be a part of only two are active. So if we go and do FOUR kingdoms AND still have bands......how are more than two or three of them going to be active? the truth is they won't be, we'll just have a bunch of inactive kingdoms. does that make sense to you? I just don't think it would work here, not with the number of active characters the site has.
Also we are already moved away from the whole dark/light, evil/good plot remember. Imperium is surely made up of more cruel individuals, but it isn't evil, nor is altus good. I mean shit Scarabeaus is Altus and that fucker kills someone in every post i ever done with him. We don't have stereotyped kingdoms anymore, I think maybe our members forget that. But befera made a great thread explaining the different allegiances we have so everyone needs to make sure they understand that.
PS YAY im at the library and have a computer to use for a little while!
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Post by Δ Beauty With The Booty on Sept 13, 2014 9:42:01 GMT -6
Omfg Desi has a suggestion holy shit batten down the hatches bitches.
Anyways, so this has been bothering me since day fucking one that I joined this site so that's like 2-3 years and like 600 something days. In the past we have just let members do this how they wanted because we saw no reason for a rule like this but ITS REALLY BOTHERING THE HELL OUT OF ME.
I REALLY think we should somehow have an aging system. Because all of these characters that don't age is a real bummer. Like for example, I wanna age up Wicca but her older relatives are never aged and right now, The Bride is 3 years old and Wicca is 4 but in reality she should be like..6? I think to do this we should do this:
For already created characters, we should just let members pick out the season they want their char born in and they should put it in their SB posts for each character. We could do this around AC time.
For Example: I think Wicca was born either in Winter or Spring; I'm gonna say Spring cause we didn't use a prize for her a fertility prize anyway. And I would put it in her SB post, which I think it should look like this:
Name: Witchcrypt Breed: endless breeds here ahur Gender: Female Height: 17hh Age: yeah Season: Spring Color: Gray (Smoky black) // Black Chimera etc.
And we should also add that to the creation list. And each Spring, I would age Wicca up one year. That way we can regulate the ages. Now I know this will be a game to remember for people but in the announcements or whatever after each new skin change and season change, we can (or I will) PM members info and be like "Don't forget to age up your characters born in (insert season here).
As for the total fuck up right now on ages, I will personally message everyone tied to my own characters and figure out the ages for them and then like...somehow we can like figure out the ages of others or just let them start from here. Cause my OCD is really bitching about this.
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Post by templebar on Sept 13, 2014 11:43:45 GMT -6
I agree with clearing up the social lands, it is such a maze and i think for prospective members when starting to post for the first time its hard to choose a place and then its also hard to get that post seen. I think this would be much better with different descriptive areas, it also allows people to use their imagination better when describing their posts.
Also i agree with Desi, i think you should add month and year of birth to the creation form so that even if you loose track of how many seasons have passed we have a birth date to go back to if needed.
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Post by ♕BEFERA on Sept 13, 2014 14:47:08 GMT -6
Good plan flighty. I think it'd be fine to wait until we get plot stuff going to change up the lands, and yeah like if most everyone seems to agree then we can just change them to the list I made.
I completely agree Desi. Personally instead of doing what Temp suggested and having a years old AND months old thing that we should just have everyone age their characters up by one year during a specific season. Granted it might not be exactly 100% accurate especially for foals, but it would help with having all characters aging at the same sort of level. I think that maybe every spring we should have everyone go through their own SBs and age up all of their characters.
I'd rather not have everyone add another field into their character profiles but just have all charrs on site age up in spring instead, just to keep things easy. I do agree though that a lot of people forget to age up their characters and we suddenly have characters who should be 10 years old still listed as 6 or 7 or characters still listed as Newborns that should be 3. I've seen a lot of sites do "everyone age your characters in spring" before and it seems to be a decently good setup to remind everyone to age up. Worst case scenario with it not being as accurate is that we have characters who were born or created in winter (should not be very many due to needing a prize if for breeding in winter) would age up in spring and then essentially skip a year of their life. For that kind of situation we could say that everyone BUT characters born or created that past winter age up in that spring.
So let's say we have Dingus the character who is born this month, in winter. Then next month, in spring, everyone ages up. Dingus can't really age up or he'll suddenly be a year old when that's not really true at all. So we would say, all characters born or created last month do not age up this month, but every other character must age up. I think that otherwise, it should be fine to age up every character by a year every spring, even if they were born in fall or so. I don't think we need to be 100% accurate with this kind of thing because as of right now people are just guessing at ages anyway.
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Post by Captain Flighty on Sept 13, 2014 21:14:07 GMT -6
I think an aging system is def a good idea. I like the way befera suggested the best, its simple and we def dont need complicated around here nor another slot in sb, members have enough trouble updating sb's. This aging will help for people who have characters on hold too i think bcuz they dont age the on hold characters and suddenly that character returbs as three yrs old and her twin is ten....like dumb shit right there, and i hate it.
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Post by `Şŧaŧi№vå_ on Sept 14, 2014 17:42:12 GMT -6
Okay, now that the idea of inactive lands with my idea of having 4 kingdoms, i can see why you want to rule it out xD Well I think we should basically limit the number of lands in general (aside from the social lands which mostly everybody appears to be agreeing on). Since we dont have many active bands (only 2 now?) , i think we should limit those to 3 instead of having 5 spaces. As for lands under Royal Kingdoms I also think we should down size to 3 lands rather than 5 too cause they definitely arent as active as they should be unfortunately. I think this might be a good idea unless alot of people are opposed to it. ( i think it would help to gain more activity and if somebody wants a land, they would have to fight for it and if your willing to fight for a land, then your probably willing to keep it active too.)
Also! I think we need to put a ban on imperium characters again and allow the Altus to grow. I think we should keep the ban up until we are atleast 10 or 20 Altus characters above imperium characters
The aging system is a great idea! I too have always found it irritating when my characters are suppose to be 5 but their parents are listed as 6 and are really suppose to be 9 or something. I think a site-wide pm at the beginning of every spring to remind everybody to age up their characters would be good, and not only that but they could remind you to just update regular information so not so many people around activity check time has to get fined for their SB's not being up to date
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Post by Captain Flighty on Sept 14, 2014 18:11:28 GMT -6
I think limitng band and land slots is a damn good idea stat. What do you think bef?
Also, the aging idea wasnt for aging characters very month, its for aging them in spring on rltw which would be about every four monhs or so. But a pm with an announcement to remind members will surely be done.
A ban may be a good idea but may not be neccessary at this time ami right bef? Some stuff is going on behind the scenes and then the site members will ALL get a chance to vote on it and shit. But if that takes longer than we expect maybe a ban would be a good idea....
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Post by ♕BEFERA on Sept 14, 2014 18:44:37 GMT -6
I am all for having 3 lands instead of 5 in kingdoms for sure. Usually in kingdoms, even when we had dark/unalgined/light, there was rarely ever a time when all the land slots were filled AND active. People also forget about kingdom sublands which are ALL open aside from the one in Obascus with The Pitt. People don't seem to want sublands but they can be really fun and useful and require the exact same amount of responsibility as a regular land. Maybe if you guys really aren't interested in sublands, we should remove them, or just have them available on the royal lands? No one really uses them anymore. And with bands I want to keep it at 5 so those who want to make bands are able to.
And yeah as far as the Imperium ban idea goes, I'd like to remind everyone that we have done several bans in the past involving essentially the same alliance (Imperium, Darks) and every single time we would maybe get to them being almost equal in numbers (Dark and Light, Imperium and Altus) and then as soon as the ban lifts, Imperium/Dark goes back to outnumbering the other groups by 20 or more. It's just the most popular group and has been for literally years, and I for one do not think that putting a ban on it again will solve much, because it hasn't in the past.
Yeah the stuff going on behind the scenes is attempting to address the imbalance. We'll let you guys know the absolute second we finalize some ideas so everyone can decide on them together as a site.
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Post by templebar on Sept 21, 2014 10:56:23 GMT -6
I want to add to this two things.
Firstly we have a predator disaster thing, i think we should make some use of this i have been here a couple on months now and nothing. When i was first at RLTW we had disaster/surprise i think so something happened at least once a month and it allowed people lacking in muse or just wanting to post have something to do. But it was not always a disaster, sometimes things were good too, or a combo of the two like a drought that weakened many but this was followed a week later when the rains came which restored that lands to their full beauty.
Also at the moment if a character that i am joining is religious/believes in certain gods, it feels as if this is not allowed and they must be mentally delusional. However in real life people believe in different gods or none at all but that doesn't make me say that those who believe in god are delusional. Why cant my character believe in her god, it doesn't mean everyone else has to.
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Post by Captain Flighty on Sept 21, 2014 14:38:45 GMT -6
We are actually working on something for predator disaster temp so great suggestion, we stopped doing it because SO many members seemed to hate it but i love it and its coming back.
Also as far as religion and beliefin gods go thats fin but its when it gets to the point a charcter believes they are a god or believes a god gifted them with powers we dont allow on the site that it becomes a problem. We dont discourage characters or members for that matter, believing in or following the teachings of any god from any religion, real or imagined or obscure or whatevre. They can even talk to their gods so long as the gods dont come a visiting them and being seen by anyone around. I fully believe that God talks to people and gives them messages but that doesnt mean he does it for everyone, so why not for ourcharacters here. I see no problem in involving religion in your characters lives, its been done many times here before with Lucifer, Lilith, Apophis, Osiris, Zephyr, The Fallen, The Origin, Ma'at, Orion, Monoceros and a lot more whose names i cant recall. Religion plays a huge part in there lives both the darker sides of it and the lighter sides. Please dont feel restricted in using religion in your characters posts and lives.
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Post by ♕BEFERA on Sept 21, 2014 18:03:27 GMT -6
Like Flighty said, we used to do very frequent predator attacks as well as natural disaster strikes, but a lot of people seemed annoyed with them/felt they were intrusive, so we did less and less of them, and eventually stopped completely. We are definitely going to be bringing strikes back though and it will be much more fun for everyone and it will feel a lot less like the staff forcing you to write about something and more like an actual IC event.
When have you ever had a character declined due to religious beliefs? If a staff member has done this, they are definitely at fault, because there is no reason why any character would be denied their beliefs. RLTW has never said that a character that believes in a deity is mentally delusional. In fact, our history more or less calls the earth a goddess and personifies her anger with the human race and such. I'm wondering what caused you to bring that point up? Because I have never, in all my years on RLTW, seen anyone OOCly dismiss or decline a character due to their religious beliefs.
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Post by templebar on Sept 22, 2014 4:42:42 GMT -6
I am glad to year your bringing it back and I would definitely think of adding some surprises in there too just to live things up a bit and make it not all depressing.
As for the gods thing I can't find it written now but I thought I remember reading it somewhere or someone saying it in the cbox. I have not had a character declined but I thought I asked about it once. Maybe I was reading it wrong and as flighty said it was to do with characters believing they were gods. I get that reason. With that I shall go to plan my next character or maybe add it to flange.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 0:47:07 GMT -6
Could there be a special, stickied thread for us to create and test our tables in, a Table Testing Thread? In order to create a new table, I have to make a new thread or reply somewhere and I worry excessively (and rightly so!) about pressing the 'submit' button accidentally and making a very no-no incomplete post. I know that some sites have mods remove posts after some time, but personally I am just happy to have the place to test, and it inspires me to look at all the art other people have done, thinking of plot or character ideas from other people's manipulations.
Also, could condensing the Shadow Realm and Faction Territories to one forum each be considered? I am not talking about deleting or moving anything, simply making the x4 and x2 forums on the index page into x1 and x1 forum, with all the other forums still there as subforums. There haven't been any posts there in a while, and it will help the site to look more active to make the less-active parts look smaller. Please let me know if this sounds confusing, I don't want anyone to become over anxious, it isn't removing or deleting anything, only restructuring the forums so those less-active places are still there, but take up less space.
Also, thank you for a very lovely place to play! There is a lot of warmth and care put into this forum.
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Post by Δ Beauty With The Booty on Nov 13, 2014 0:50:29 GMT -6
I can only answer the first part of your suggestion because anything coding is my bane XD
We do have a place to test tables
OOC > Out of Character > The Lab > Character Planning or Coding Galore
You can choose either one :D We mostly use Character planning for both though lol
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